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The VINES/VINESS Family of C19th Birmingham


Seeking ancestry and history of Ann Sophia VINES n. 1828, most likely of the Birmingham area.
Known name variants: VINE, VINESS & VENAS (commonly used in parts of B'ham, as shown by the focus of 2000/2005 data, below)

The family story so far:

Sometime between 1850 & 1853 Ann Sophia VINES (c1828) had an illegitimate daughter Elizabeth VINES. No birth record or baptism has been found so far for an Elizabeth VINES/VINESS. No Ann Sophia VINES (or variants) have been located on the 1841 census (probably with age of 10 or 15), none aged 23 with her daughter (aged 1 or less) on the 1851 census, or baptism. Based on the 1861 census, Elizabeth (now as SMITH) is given as aged 8, which provides a birth year around 1852. On subsequent census she is 3 years older, suggesting a birth year around 1850. It is possible she was registered as Elizabeth SMITH, of which there are many in this period 1849-1853 in the Birmingham/Aston BMD.

With respect to Ann Sophia, the family of John & Frances VINE can be found on the 1841 census in St. George, Birmingham, with an Ann aged about 15, however there is no proven connection and no subsequent census record. The only Ann Sophia VINES on BMD has a marriage in Dec Qtr 1859 in Lincoln, however the original MC shows that this is not this Ann Sophia, since her age was only 19 (i.e. born 1840) with the name actually as HINES and her husband Joseph VANPLEW. On census returns, John SMITH, Ann's husband is coincidentally shown as being of LIN in all cases. 

The focus is therefore on any John SMITH = Ann V* marriage by 1861 in the Birmingham area (not found), since John & Ann Sophia SMITH are found on the 1861 census living in two separate houses in Duddeston & Nechells (D&N), Birmingham. John SMITH (40), a Stoker at a gas works, of Lincolnshire, was the married Head of a household at 13 Ct 7 House in Upper Windsor St., Aston. The family included a daughter Mary Ann SMITH (10), born Staffordshire, and a son Charles H SMITH (8) of Birmingham. At 2 Ct 3 House in Great Lister St., D&N, was Ann SMITH (34), Charwoman, and her daughter Elizabeth SMITH (8), both of Birmingham, lodging at the house of Ann MANNING, a laundress. It is likely that Ann Sophia was the second wife of John SMITH (Mary Ann SMITH & Charles Henry SMITH being the children of the first wife, who must have died sometime after 1852), or they were in a common-law relationship. All marriage of John SMITHs to Ann * have also been checked in case Ann was a widow. Again, no surnames suggesting an earlier marriage to V*.

Elizabeth (as VINESS) married Nail Cutter Daniel BICKNELL on 28.9.1868 at St Peter, Dale End, Birmingham. She gave the same phonetic maiden name at the birth registration for her daughter Selina BICKNELL in 1873, which was recorded as VENAS. Her father was not named on her MC, suggesting she was illegitimate, and therefore not the daughter of John SMITH. Upon marriage she was apparently aged 18, supporting her general year of birth to be c1850, but had no occupation.  Based on the 1861 & 1871 census ages, there is a possibility she lied about her age and was aged only 15 at her wedding, putting her birth closer to 1853. Presumably her mother and stepfather were resident in the Birmingham area around this time. While such early marriages are not unusual, she may have been pregnant with their  first child Agnes. One marriage witness was Mary Ann WILLIAMS (if formerly the Mary Ann SMITH, above, but BMD cannot prove this). Mary Ann would have been about 18 years old and presumably also newly wed. Charles SMITH (18), Nail Cutter, probably the brother of Mary Ann SMITH in 1861 was resident with the BICKNELLs in 1871 at 4 James Buildings, Ladywood, confirming the relationship between the two families. He may have a married a Sarah by the 1881 census as an Aston-based nail cutter Charles SMITH had a wife and 11 month old son Charles H SMITH.

Elsewhere on the 1871 census at 5 Roberts Building, Great Lister St, D&N, John SMITH (50), Labourer, of Lincoln, was Head of household with his wife Ann SMITH (43), Pearl Button Finisher, of Birmingham.

On the 1881 census - Elizabeth BICKNELL is noted as the widowed daughter of the SMITH family at 35 Aston Road, Aston, aged 30, this time born in Wolverhampton. John SMITH (Head, Builder's Labourer, 60) of Scot Wiliby (sic; Silk Willoughby, LIN) & wife Ann S. SMITH, (53) of Birmingham. By 1891, at 3 Ct 4 House, Cheshire St., Aston, widower John SMITH (70), General Labourer of Osenby, LIN, was living with Selina BICKNELL  (17, grand-daughter), a Nail Machine Feeder of Birmingham. Selina, who is my GGM, married in 1893, the same year that John apparently died in Aston.

Ann SMITH appears to have died in Q1 1889 Aston (6d 217) at an age that confirms her birth c1828.

The 1851 census may have John SMITH (of LIN) and his first wife (Elizabeth, of Worcester) in Wolverhampton, STS, with 3-yo child John SMITH (c1848, Worcester) & Mary SMITH (8 months, Wolverhampton). It is possible the Q4 1847 marriage at Worcester between John SMITH & Elizabeth ELISON/ELLISON is them, with Mary Ann being the 1840 child. Presumably John junior died before 1861, as did Elizabeth (after 1852/53 birth of Charles H SMITH). Possible references occur in Birmingham, although none can be verified just from BMD.

Research Problems:

  • Locating a birth/baptism of Ann Sophia VINES/VINESS c1828 Birmingham, if her maiden name, and therefore her parents;

  • Locating a birth/baptism for Elizabeth VINES/VINESS to confirm her illegitimacy or her father, if recorded, in Wolverhampton/Aston/Birmingham in the period 1850-53;

  • Locating John SMITH = Ann V* marriage by 1861 (10 in B'ham & 3 in Aston, but no V*);

  • Confirming John SMITH to be a widow, through death of his first wife or the BC of either Mary Ann SMITH (Staffs - 43 candidates or Charles H SMITH (Birmingham area - 2 candidates);

  • Locating a possible Mary Ann SMITH = WILLIAMS marriage in 1867-68 period (nearest is Q4 1867 at Warwick to Moses WILLIAMS);

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